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H. Rearden

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Colbert's reading of Rand
« on: March 23, 2008, 02:05:45 PM »
A clip from the Daily Show of Stephen Colbert's Objectist childrens sleep over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA-15pE5soA


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Re: Colbert's reading of Rand
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 02:49:47 PM »
You posted this back in July:
     http://www.wendymcelroy.com/smf/index.php?topic=3334.0

It was good though.
     
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2008, 07:36:29 AM »
It's CB's "Ridicule" thread that brought me back here; because many Objectivists that really find Colbert's skit offensive. I can take a little bit of good-natured, humorous ribbing (ridicule). It's an effective way to get a point across. I tend not to appreciate it, though, when it's a complete misrepresentation rather than an exaggeration. Colbert is quite effective at what he does. I think part of it is that he has a schtick in which his exaggeration and misrepresentation is so close to the real thing that it's difficult to tell it from the real thing. His other skill is his quickness of presentation that allows him to machine-gun spray you with enough of these exaggerations and misrepresentations that you don't get a chance to think any of them through, but just respond emotionally to them.

In the Rand skit he did there were a number of things, in retrospect, that I recall. In reverse chronology they are:

4) There's the line, toward the end, that is cute in it's truthfulness and adult (parental) concern for the children getting enough sleep. Being that close to the end of the skit, it's the one that piques the persistence of cognition.
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Go to sleep, go to sleep, it's in your rational self-interest.
It brings to mind the battles that parents have in getting young-uns to bed; and provides a perspective of how the childless Rand may have dealt with the situation. It's in stark contrast to the reality that parents resort to; illustrated by the humor of someone like Bill Cosby:
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We've put 1,000 black, poisonous snakes around your crib; and if you so much as put a toe outside, they'll bite it and you'll swell up and be dead until morning

3) There's that middle part, which amounts to a misrepresentation of Rand's philosophy:
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Jimmy, are you sharing a cookie?
What did I tell you about sharing; it rewards the weak.
And, I don't know about the rest of you, but I laughed at it when I viewed it in realtime. In retrospect, when you come back to look at it in depth, you find that it really is a misrepresentation. But, when you go through it in realtime, there's no time to think about it because, before you do, he's hit you with the rational self-interest of sleep.

2) There's the sequence in which Colbert is portraying himself as a Objectivist aficionado who is spreading the Word:
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It’s my fifth annual Steven Colbert Objectivist children sleepover; when ten lucky inner city youths and I spend the night studying the radical individualistic philosophy of Ayn Rand
I find it amusing; because it's the manner in which other schools of indoctrinary thought typically move - get them while they're young and before they start thinking to any great degree ... while the indoctrination is easy.
But, really, isn't the charity aspect of this in direct contradiction to the point he raises in #3 above (I'm here to help the weak who won't otherwise help themselves)?

1) The opening reading of an except of Rand's work reminded me of "Three Men and a Baby"; that scence where the Tom Selleck character was reading a review of a violent boxing match to the baby:
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[Peter is reading the review of a boxing match to Mary]
Michael Kellam: Peter! You can't read that to her!
Peter Mitchell: It doesn't matter what I read, it's the tone of voice I use. She doesn't understand the words anyway. Now where were we?
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Re: Colbert's reading of Rand
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2008, 10:16:01 AM »
That was one of the few Colbert skits I actually chanced to see on TV, and I thought it was hilarious.  Of course, I'm an ex-objectivist, which might mean I'm less likely to take offense.  On the other hand, I still call myself libertarian, and I also thoroughly enjoyed "I Am the Very Model of a Modern Libertarian".

Like I always say, if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?
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Re: Colbert's reading of Rand
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2008, 11:56:31 AM »
Like I always say, if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

I've always found it much more satisfying to laugh at other people.

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2008, 12:12:11 PM »
Speaking of misrepresentation, Bioshock is a horrible misrepresentation of Ayn Rand's works. Its a first person shooter game that takes place in an undersea city made as a Rand utopia. The messages were typical "without government, people go crazy" or "left unto themselves people will form into groups of gangsters praying on the weak".

I think libertarians do have a concern of misrepresentation. I had a liberal friend the other day state they were libertarian-ish. When I asked them if they knew what the non-aggression principle was or deontological ethics, they were clueless. To her it meant less government and really less republican government. She still backs a universal health care system and the concept of forcing people to pay for that eludes her.

I almost think libertarian has become the catch label for "I'm a liberal... but not one of those socialist crazy liberals".

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 12:49:37 PM »
Well, in fairness, I was a libertarian for decades without knowing what "deontological" meant.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 01:40:00 PM »
And it is not clear that there is any necessary connection between the two. I recall at a libertarian week long seminar interacting with a guy who clearly supports libertarian ideas but also claimed to be a utilitarian.

In fact under the most common usage of the term with which I am familiar in moral theory circles, I would not qualify as following a strictly deontological application of rules, yet I certainly argue against the very existence of government and the injustice of using he weapon of government.

As for libertarian being a catch phrase, perhaps though I would take issue with using the singular. I cannot recall how often I hear some extreme neo-con called "libertarian" because of some economically conservative position (in rhetoric only, never practice of course).

In truth it is not clearly understood outside of libertarian circles, and arguably not even within libertarian circles.