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H. Rearden

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The LP Nominee is ...
« on: May 26, 2024, 07:19:03 PM »
After 7 rounds of ballots and having to defeat NOTA on the 7th ballot because of the last 2 candidates not getting a majority on the 6th ballot because of NOTA votes, the LP nominee for POTUS is Chase Oliver of GA. Oliver won defeating NOTA with slightly over 60%.

The 6th ballot was Oliver and Rectenwald. I'm disappointed that Rectenwald did not get the nomination because I think he would have been a better choice.

RFK Jr was a candidate and was eliminated after the 1st ballot having received only 2.07% of the votes. Hornberger was eliminated after the 2nd ballot.

Ron Paul was the keynote speaker.

Angela McArdle was re-elected Chair.

http://mediaite.com/politics/hes-going-to-get-back-to-us-watch-moment-libertarian-party-chair-calls-to-ask-rfk-jr-if-he-accepts-nomination

http://cnn.com/2024/05/26/politics/rfk-jr-nominated-libertarian-party/index.html
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Re: The LP Nominee is ...
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2024, 06:48:22 AM »
What is NOTA?

H. Rearden

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Re: The LP Nominee is ...
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2024, 06:59:44 AM »
What is NOTA?

None of the above. In the LP NOTA is always an option on a ballot. Thus there was the possibility that on the last ballot NOTA could have received the majority of votes and there would not be a nominee in that case.

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Re: The LP Nominee is ...
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2024, 07:46:00 AM »
So, the national LP elects Mises Caucus people to take control over the party, a couple years ago. The Mises Caucus is generally "anti-woke." Correct?

But the conventioneers chose this young, inexperience guy, Chase Oliver as its presidential nominee for 2024. A wokester. He approves of trans children https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1794941706279977332 and drag queen story hour for children https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1794992462403957031?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

No, Chase, children are not "trans" or transgender. Why are children not transgender? Because they're CHILDREN!! They're still growing and their personalities and emotions are still growing and developing. Leave 'em alone! Occasionally, children go through phases, in which they might be curious about the opposite sex or express identifying with the opposite sex. But in most cases they grow out of it!

And drag queen story hour. Why the hell this fad of men dressing up in ladies clothing and reading stories to kids? Are there men dressed up in martian outfits doing that? Sure, someone dressed up as Big Bird or as a cowboy reading a Sesame Street story or a Western-themed story, whatever.

But, drag queen is adult night club stuff. It's really not for kids. What is the real point of this drag crap? Why has this latest trans fad become such a cult? Am I all wet on this?

And why would the anti-woke Mises Caucus-dominated LP pick a leftist wokester as its nominee? What kind of voting process do they have at the convention? Does everybody know who everybody else votes for? i.e. is there an intimidation factor? Are the votes in a secret ballot? Who controls the voting process? i.e. could the voting have been rigged? (I know, I know, sounds "conspiratorial," but you never know these days...)

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2024, 07:49:11 AM »
On policy, Chase's website campaign platform shows that he wants to stick with government central planning. https://www.votechaseoliver.com/platform

e.g. on immigration:

"Collaborate with Congress to return to an Ellis Island style of processing immigrants. It should be simple for those who wish to come here to work and build a better life to appear before immigration officials at an accredited port of entry, be given medical and criminal checks to assess their safety and receive a visa allowing them to immediately find employment."

"Immigration officials"? (Government immigration officials, I assume.) Immigrants "be given medical and criminal checks..." (Medical checks by whom? The government?)

I thought libertarians wanted to ditch the central planners and have a free society, no?

Meanwhile, on Jacob Hornberger's campaign website https://www.jacobforliberty.com/positions/, he states: "Abolish the Border Patrol and ICE and all controls on the free movements of people across borders." Not hard.

And also on Chase's website regarding immigration: "Create a simpler path to citizenship for immigrants who are already here." And who would create that simpler path? Government bureaucrats?

And you can say what you want about "citizenship," but that's a concept of "belonging to the government, or to the rulers," in my opinion. The late Carl Watner had this terrific essay on citizenship: http://voluntaryist.com/forthcoming/citizen.html#.WuxR4HIh31y

Chase also says: "Create a path to citizenship for both DACA-eligible residents and the children of foreign workers admitted to the US on temporary work visas. These immigrants often lose their legal status upon turning 21, robbing us of individuals educated here in America with something to offer our society."

Central planning on steroids much, Chase?

He does promote some good policies.

However, on the economy, he does promote deregulation and repealing tariffs, but he says nothing about the income tax, and repealing it! Not a word about it!

The income tax is a scheme of theft perpetrated by the rulers, in which workers must report their private information and involuntarily fork over a certain part of their earnings to the government.

Without the income tax (and other forms of confiscatory thefts by the regime), all the government's horrible tyrannical impositions, intrusions and redistributions could not take place because no one in his right mind would voluntarily pay for them!

Shame on Chase Oliver for not even mentioning the income tax!

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2024, 09:18:39 AM »
So, the national LP elects Mises Caucus people to take control over the party, a couple years ago. The Mises Caucus is generally "anti-woke." Correct?

But the conventioneers chose this young, inexperience guy, Chase Oliver as its presidential nominee for 2024. A wokester. He approves of trans children https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1794941706279977332 and drag queen story hour for children https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1794992462403957031?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

No, Chase, children are not "trans" or transgender. Why are children not transgender? Because they're CHILDREN!! They're still growing and their personalities and emotions are still growing and developing. Leave 'em alone! Occasionally, children go through phases, in which they might be curious about the opposite sex or express identifying with the opposite sex. But in most cases they grow out of it!

And drag queen story hour. Why the hell this fad of men dressing up in ladies clothing and reading stories to kids? Are there men dressed up in martian outfits doing that? Sure, someone dressed up as Big Bird or as a cowboy reading a Sesame Street story or a Western-themed story, whatever.

But, drag queen is adult night club stuff. It's really not for kids. What is the real point of this drag crap? Why has this latest trans fad become such a cult? Am I all wet on this?

And why would the anti-woke Mises Caucus-dominated LP pick a leftist wokester as its nominee? What kind of voting process do they have at the convention? Does everybody know who everybody else votes for? i.e. is there an intimidation factor? Are the votes in a secret ballot? Who controls the voting process? i.e. could the voting have been rigged? (I know, I know, sounds "conspiratorial," but you never know these days...)


I think what happened that resulted in this result is that the voting lasted way too long. It was midnight before the final ballot was voted on. Many delegates had left before then because they had to get to the airport to go home or leave to get back home etc..

Clint Russell who was the MC candidate for the VP nomination on his podcast talked about what happened that lead to Oliver becoming the nominee. The link is qued to the part where he explained what happened.

The Story of the Craziest Political Convention in American History

http://youtu.be/SzsKWoy5tPs?t=36m


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Re: The LP Nominee is ...
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2024, 07:32:21 PM »

Libertarian and Libertan

http://x.com/liberty667/status/1795862614930538601/photo/1/

The meaning behind this: On Mike ter Maat's Twitter page at the top of the page it reads: Mike ter Maat Libertan Vice President Candidat

Not Libertarian and candidate. ;D

Every cycle since 2008 the LP nominees are worse.  Tonight on Alan Mosley's show/podcast he said the Mises Caucus wanted a comedian for the nominee and instead they got a joke. He was referring to Dave Smith who had considered running and would have been the MC choice had he ran and probably would have won but instead the LP nominated Chase Oliver.